Wow!! I need to catch up here.
MG Ron :
Thanks for the mitten suggestion.
The trouble is I went to Kalispell REI this morning and bought the
Black Diamond Mercury's.
That said, if for some reason they don't work for me, I'll revisit your suggestion and that of
JayW's as well.
JayW :
The glove liners you saw in the video are
Manzella liners. I've been buying them for years at Costco when they go on sale.
I wear them(alone) frequently hiking in the cooler months of spring and fall.
I also use them when scrambling around in the rocky areas like ShangriLa to help protect my candy ass hands.

They work ok for me as a glove liner for say, 20F and above...but not so much at zero temps as you saw.
A mistake I made which you alluded to was fiddling around making that video in the parking lot.
I can't operate the camera with heavy gloves on.
But... the time making the video was long enough for my fingers to get
cold, and they never recovered.

Something else you and
MG Ron need to consider is my age, neuropathy(s) from diabetes, and the fact I haven't lived all my life in a cold state like you guys.
And so I believe I need something warmer than you guys who are younger and lived in a cold place much longer.
You folks in the upper mid west in North Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin are tough folks

The Flathead valley is actually one of the
warmer places in Montana...although one doesn't have to venture very far from the valley to get into some truly cold spots.
I wonder what that chatter stud from
North
Dakota wears for mittens?
A guy in the shoe dept. told me his wife loves her BD Mercury gloves for skiing, and so did a guy in the ski dept.
So I think they'll work for me,
Sooooo...
Tomorrow, I hope to get out to the golf course to try these new mittens.
The forecast is for another pretty chilly day.
Sunday
Snow likely, mainly after 11am. Mostly cloudy and cold, low -14 with a high near 10.
Wind chill values as low as -32. Northeast wind 5 to 9 mph becoming calm in the morning.
Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible. I think it'll be ok if the wind dies down by mid morning. The snow won't be a big deal if it does come.
The new snow will slow down the trails a little which is OK with me. Trudging UP the hills is a workout.
Although I'm getting to liking the speed of the modest down hill runs now that I have better control !

The edges on these Epochs make turning and stopping FAR easier than my old skies.
I'm
self taught so to speak, but I'm getting there slowly but surely.
Aimee put some
cold wax on my skies the other day. I'll see if I notice any difference.
All the folks there have been really helpful.
Before I leave tomorrow, I'll do a video review of my BD mittens. I think a video will be more useful than a written review.
And yeah, I'll do it indoors. I ain't gonna do it outside and pre freeze my fingers before skiing!!

Yeeeehaww! Loving it!
later
pete

PS
The REI people put up 3 of my prints in their "Community Room".
Two bear prints and one of Mr Lincoln.
I thought that was pretty nice.