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Glad you're all safe!
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Crazy windy day last Saturday. 106 mph near East Glacier, 74 in Choteau but only 67 at our house. Lots of damage in town: trees down, home damaged etc. Also there were a couple of severe dust storms causing road closures and no visibility. There were some fairly large grass fires well east of Great Falls as well.
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Winter has sucked here in the valley with virtually NO snowfall, but it's not over yet.

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Winter Storm Watch
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Missoula MT
1138 PM MDT Wed Mar 11 2020

MTZ003-130545-
/O.CON.KMSO.WS.A.0005.200313T1500Z-200314T1800Z/
Flathead/Mission Valleys-
1138 PM MDT Wed Mar 11 2020

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING
THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING...

* WHAT...Snow possible. Total snow accumulations of 1 to 3
inches possible. Winds could gust as high as 45 mph. Local
damaging winds possible. Pockets of blowing snow and freeze up
on area roads. Wind chills down to 20 degrees below zero.

* WHERE...Flathead Lake, Flathead Valley, Mission Valley, and
Polson.

* WHEN...From Friday morning through Saturday morning.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be affected. Areas of blowing snow
could significantly reduce visibility. Gusty winds could bring
down tree branches, causing power outages. The cold wind
chills as low as 20 below zero could cause frostbite on
exposed skin in as little as 30 minutes.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Monitor the latest forecasts for updates on this situation.




Forecast for West Glacier region

Winter Storm Watch
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Missoula MT
1138 PM MDT Wed Mar 11 2020

MTZ002-130545-
/O.CON.KMSO.WS.A.0005.200313T1500Z-200314T1800Z/
West Glacier Region-
1138 PM MDT Wed Mar 11 2020

...WINTER STORM WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM FRIDAY MORNING
THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING...

* WHAT...Snow possible. Total snow accumulations of 6 to 9 inches
in the higher terrain and 2 to 6 inches in the valley possible.
Winds could gust as high as 45 mph. Local damaging winds
possible. Pockets of blowing snow and freeze up on area roads.
Wind chills down to 30 degrees below zero.

* WHERE...Bad Rock Canyon, Essex, Highway 83 Bigfork to Swan
Lake, Marias Pass, and Polebridge.

* WHEN...From Friday morning through Saturday morning.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be affected. Areas of blowing snow
could significantly reduce visibility. Gusty winds could bring
down tree branches. The dangerously cold wind chills as low as
30 below zero could cause frostbite on exposed skin in as
little as 10 minutes.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Monitor the latest forecasts for updates on this situation.

&&

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FYI
We had a major Tstorm pass through at about 8am this morning.
Power is still out in about half the county judging by the Flathead Electric power outage map.
Gonna be hours, maybe a day or more before some areas have power again.

https://outage.flathead.coop:8181/#
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PeteE wrote:FYI
We had a major Tstorm pass through at about 8am this morning.
Power is still out in about half the county judging by the Flathead Electric power outage map.
Gonna be hours, maybe a day or more before some areas have power again.

https://outage.flathead.coop:8181/#
It was quite the storm and reminded me of those spring storms the Midwest gets with threats of tornadoes. According to Lincoln Electric, a microcell hit Olney, which demolished some of their infrastructure. The entire Bonneville service area (out of WA), including all of Lincoln Electric's service area, was without power. My power was out for 12 hours. Trees on our property and along the Forest Service road we live on were uprooted left and right. Spent the day clearing the road with a neighbor, simply so that we could get out if needed. Now I have to tackle the trees on our property. My wood shed will be closer to full, that is for sure.

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Hey Doug! Glad you and your house are ok.
I haven't seen wind like this storm since moving here in 2002.

Yeah it's a mess in many neighborhoods around the valley. Surprisingly, Some areas around Kalispell(Evergreen) never lost power.
My power was out for about 10 hours. No biggie for me since I have battery-powered lanterns for light and cooked dinner and made coffee on my backpacking stove. :mrgreen:
"Big Boss" who lives off Whitefish Stage Rd. near MT40 got hammered. 18 large trees down all around his house. One big doug fir smashed his deck and hot tub and barely missed the roof over his living room. He has a 30KW propane generator but can't go near it because of his pacemaker. So I went out and did some additional hookups for him early yesterday morning. He chased a black bear off the lawn just before I arrived! :)
Gonna be a lot of firewood generated from this storm.

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Glad you're ok, too. Thank goodness for alternative means of cooking. I made coffee and all meals on our propane Weber. :D

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Got caught in a massive surprise storm on the golf course on Wednesday in PA. Absolutely nowhere to hide. Broken branches flying all around my buddy and me. Cart absolutely swamped with horizontal rain. We survived, but looked like drowned rats. 83 mph winds, I heard later. Warning system was non-functional.

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Sue Z wrote:Got caught in a massive surprise storm on the golf course on Wednesday in PA. Absolutely nowhere to hide. Broken branches flying all around my buddy and me. Cart absolutely swamped with horizontal rain. We survived, but looked like drowned rats. 83 mph winds, I heard later. Warning system was non-functional.

"If you are caught on a golf course during a storm and are afraid of lightning, hold up a 1-iron. Not even God can hit a 1-iron." - Lee Trevino
I grew up playing golf and was pretty good when I was young--1 handicap when on my HS golf team.
One day when I was a senior in HS we were playing in two foursomes when it began raining, thunder and lightning on the 13th hole.
No biggie since T-storms are common in central Florida. Plus we had LOTs of bets going. Nobody wanted to quit.
All was fine until we were putting out on the 18th green and lightning struck an oak tree beside the green--maybe 20-25 yards from us.
All eight of us went down like tenpins. To me, it felt like someone touched me behind the knees with a cattle prod.
People in the clubhouse rushed out thinking the worst. Turned out we were all ok.
I'll never forget getting up and looking at that tree split open and burning in the pouring rain. There were little "craters" in the turf all around the tree where the lightning hit the ground.

My parents told me if they ever heard of me playing in a T-storm again I wouldn't have to worry about lightning killing me 8)
For one of the guys, this incident was the second time being nearly killed by lightning. A couple years before, he and three others(including the golf coach at that time) were in a rain shelter when it was struck.

pete :wink:

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I had a set of Wilson Staff "Tour Blades" back in the day. I loved my 1iron, and I could hit it pretty good--especially shot into the wind. 8)
Never did hole out a shot with it. I had holed out all my other irons(2-9 and both PW and SW) before graduating from HS :)
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PeteE wrote:All was fine until we were putting out on the 18th green and lightning struck an oak tree beside the green--maybe 20-25 yards from us.
All eight of us went down like tenpins. To me, it felt like someone touched me behind the knees with a cattle prod.
People in the clubhouse rushed out thinking the worst. Turned out we were all ok.
I'll never forget getting up and looking at that tree split open and burning in the pouring rain. There were little "craters" in the turf all around the tree where the lightning hit the ground.

My parents told me if they ever heard of me playing in a T-storm again I wouldn't have to worry about lightning killing me 8)
For one of the guys, this incident was the second time being nearly killed by lightning. A couple years before, he and three others(including the golf coach at that time) were in a rain shelter when it was struck.

pete :wink:
That's really frightening!

We had two choices when the storm slammed into us: Wait it out in a small grove of trees near the top of a hill (bad), or head for the relative safety of the clubhouse (badder). We chose the very dangerous 5-minute drive to the clubhouse, careening around falling tree limbs on the slippery cart path. At least the clubhouse was safe and dry. I kept wishing I had been out hiking, where at least I know to just find the low ground and squat on my foam sitting pad.

On the bright side, I absolutely suck at golf, so quitting early was no great loss.
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The weather here is starting to really suck here in Flathead Valley.
Getting hazy from the heat. I'm not aware of any fires nearby but the environment is very dry.

https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.p ... yFhPudMGUl

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Heat Advisory

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Missoula MT
251 PM MDT Tue Jul 28 2020

IDZ005>008-MTZ001>005-292100-
/O.NEW.KMSO.HT.Y.0001.200730T1800Z-200801T0200Z/
Northern Clearwater Mountains-Southern Clearwater Mountains-
Orofino/Grangeville Region-Lower Hells Canyon/Salmon River Region-
Kootenai/Cabinet Region-West Glacier Region-
Flathead/Mission Valleys-Lower Clark Fork Region-
Missoula/Bitterroot Valleys-
251 PM MDT Tue Jul 28 2020 /151 PM PDT Tue Jul 28 2020/

...HEAT ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM NOON MDT /11 AM PDT/ THURSDAY TO
8 PM MDT /7 PM PDT/ FRIDAY...

* WHAT...High temperatures for western Montana, mid 90s to low
100s, central Idaho, upper 90s to 110 degrees.

* WHERE...In Montana, Kootenai/Cabinet Region, West Glacier
Region, Flathead/Mission Valleys, Lower Clark Fork Region and
Missoula/Bitterroot Valleys. In Idaho, Northern Clearwater
Mountains, Southern Clearwater Mountains, Orofino/Grangeville
Region and Lower Hells Canyon/Salmon River Region.

* WHEN...From noon MDT /11 AM PDT/ Thursday to 8 PM MDT /7 PM
PDT/ Friday.

* IMPACTS...Hot temperatures may cause heat illnesses to occur.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Drink plenty of fluids, stay in an air-conditioned room, stay out
of the sun, and check up on relatives and neighbors. Young
children and pets should never be left unattended in vehicles
under any circumstances.

Take extra precautions if you work or spend time outside. When
possible reschedule strenuous activities to early morning or
evening. Know the signs and symptoms of heat exhaustion and heat
stroke. Wear lightweight and loose fitting clothing when
possible. To reduce risk during outdoor work, the Occupational
Safety and Health Administration recommends scheduling frequent
rest breaks in shaded or air conditioned environments. Anyone
overcome by heat should be moved to a cool and shaded location.
Heat stroke is an emergency! Call 9 1 1.

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Here's a new weather app GNP Ranger Sarah told she uses.
This link is for Mt. Oberlin which I use as a proxy for the Logan Pass area.
https://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks ... casts/2493
Have a look at it.
Sarah says it's better(in her opinion) than the NOAA extrapolated forecast for Logan Pass.
Looking good so far for my 3 nights at Granite Park Chalet Sep 2,3 and 4. :arrow:

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That's actually been around for a while. I've found the forecasts for different elevations to be particularly helpful, especially at Glacier.
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Winter Storm Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Missoula MT
155 PM MDT Thu Oct 22 2020

MTZ003-232000-
/O.UPG.KMSO.WS.A.0009.201023T2100Z-201024T1200Z/
/O.NEW.KMSO.WS.W.0009.201023T1800Z-201024T1800Z/
Flathead/Mission Valleys-
155 PM MDT Thu Oct 22 2020

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON FRIDAY TO NOON MDT
SATURDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 4 to 8
inches. Winds gusting as high as 40 mph will cause periods of
whiteout conditions and could produce freezing spray on the
southern end of Flathead Lake.

* WHERE...Flathead Lake, Flathead Valley, Mission Valley, and
Polson.

* WHEN...From noon Friday to noon MDT Saturday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. Areas of blowing
snow could significantly reduce visibility.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

If you must travel, keep an extra flashlight, food, and water in
your vehicle in case of an emergency.

West Glacier Area Forecast

Winter Storm Warning

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Missoula MT
155 PM MDT Thu Oct 22 2020

MTZ002-232000-
/O.UPG.KMSO.WS.A.0009.201023T2100Z-201024T1200Z/
/O.NEW.KMSO.WS.W.0009.201023T1800Z-201024T1800Z/
West Glacier Region-
155 PM MDT Thu Oct 22 2020

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM NOON FRIDAY TO NOON MDT
SATURDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations of 7 to 10
inches with amounts as high as 12 inches at Marias Pass. Winds
gusting as high as 50 mph, may create local blizzard-like
conditions at times between 9pm and 3am.


* WHERE...Bad Rock Canyon, Essex, Highway 83 Bigfork to Swan
Lake, Marias Pass, and Polebridge.

* WHEN...From noon Friday to noon MDT Saturday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be affected. Areas of blowing snow
could significantly reduce visibility. The cold wind chills as
low as 25 below zero could cause frostbite on exposed skin in
as little as 30 minutes.


*********************************************************************************************************************
000
FXUS65 KMSO 222200
AFDMSO

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Missoula MT
400 PM MDT Thu Oct 22 2020

..Dangerous and Potentially Historic Early Season Winter Storm,
Friday into Saturday...

.DISCUSSION...Partly cloudy and unseasonably cold conditions are
expected through Friday morning. Then an early season and
potentially historic winter storm will begin to affect the
Northern Rockies after noon on Friday.

Currently there is an unseasonably cold air mass across the
forecast area, and a moist Pacific weather system will overrun
that cold air Friday into Saturday. This will be followed by a
second and significantly colder Arctic air mass on Saturday into
Sunday. The focus of the best moisture and best synoptic forcing
will be over west central and southwest Montana, and the mountains
of central Idaho. Snow will begin around noon in northwest
Montana and will quickly increase in intensity, then spread south
and east. Although models have been very consistent with the track
of the storm, small deviations north or south may dramatically
change impacts discussed below.

The following are our most likely impacts:

Northwest Montana: Total snowfall ranges from 2-4 inches in far
northwest Montana to 4 to 8 inches in the Mission Valley, with
higher amounts in the mountains. East winds will arrive at
Columbia Falls between 6 and 9 pm, spreading south and west
throughout the evening. This will lower snowfall rates and
eventually cutoff precipitation completely. However, it will
create other hazards such as blowing and drifting of snow and
reduced visibilities. Additionally, trees that continue to have
leaves may see broken branches, and powerlines could be impacted.
For those of you on the southern end of Flathead Lake, freezing
spray may create an icy glaze on surfaces.

West Central Montana, I-90 corridor, and the mountains of north central
Idaho: Heavy snowfall ranging from 6 to 9 inches are expected in
the valleys, while nearer the Bitterroot Crest and the Clearwater
and Sapphire Mountains expect 1 to 2 feet. Winds will gust
Saturday morning up to 50 mph, causing considerable blowing and
drifting of snow and reduced visibilities. Blizzard like
conditions are possible for Hellgate Canyon, East Missoula,
downtown Missoula, and Rattlesnake Canyon. Trees with leaves may
have broken branches, and powerlines may be impacted.

Southwest Montana: Snow will begin here last and continue the
longest, as the system pulls in wrap around moisture. This may
continue light snow through noon Sunday. Heavy snowfall will range
from 6 to 10 inches in valleys, while pass levels could see up to
a foot. Winds gusting to 35 mph will cause blowing and drifting
snow and reduced visibilities. Powerlines may also be impacted.

Valleys of North Central Idaho: There is more uncertainty with
the forecast in this area. Confidence is high that Hells Canyon
will have minor snow accumulations of a trace to 1 inch. The
tougher call is on the Camas Prairie and higher portions of ID-95
between Grangeville and Riggins where we have questions on
totals. Two to 4 inches is the current forecast, but locations
like Greer and Whitebird Grade may receive up to 6 inches.
Additionally, the flow is expected to turn to the north on
Saturday which could produce an extended period of light snow for
the Camas Prairie.

Lemhi County: How fast will cold air arrive and change
precipitation to snow in places like Salmon is where the
uncertainty lies in the forecast. There is confidence that winds
gusting to 35 mph will be impactful in places like Bannock Pass
and Gilmore Summit. Snowfall totals presently do not look overly
impactful but a slight wobble south with the system could
dramatically change that.

Wow, you might think we are finished, unfortunately we are not. As
the system pulls away to the southeast a historically cold air
mass will be pulled south out of Canada. Our forecast currently
has record low temperatures for locations across our area.
However, under the right conditions, light winds and clear skies,
many locations could see low temperatures that would even be
records for the 1st week of November let alone October 25-26th.
The potential exists for double digit negatives along the
Continental Divide, single digit negatives in the rest of western
Montana, and single digits above zero in all but Hells Canyon
Idaho where teens are forecast.

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